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Unconventional Relationships: Escape, Healing, and the Search for Love
Cao Xuemin
Editor’s note: This bonus episode comes fromHiShow, Episode 96, first released on June 18, 2026 under the title “096. Talking with Cao Xuemin | How Can You Tell Whether a Relationship Should End?”
 
Do you unconsciously make frantic sacrifices in a relationship, give everything, and even abandon your dignity to keep someone, while reassuring yourself that “it is all because of love”? Are you longing for intimacy or trapped in invisible control?
This bonus episode is a conversation between Zhuzi and Xuemin onthe podcast HiShow. Beginning with Xuemin’s books The Psychology of Breakups and Why We Stopped Loving, they unpack invisible struggles for power in intimate relationships: how childhood trauma shapes masochistic emotional patterns; who has more or less power; and how power is defined through not only money but dignity, desire for love, attitudes toward sex, and intergenerational conflict.
P.S. Besides listening to HiShow, you can watch this episode on its video channels onXiaohongshu/Douyin.
 
🎙️ Guests
Zhuzi | Host of the podcastsHiShowand Sneeze, founder ofTR She Is Hot; Xiaohongshu@HelloZhuzi; Weibo@HelloZhuzi; Bilibili@HelloZhuziV; WeChat official account @HelloZhuzi
Cao Xuemin | Counselor with a PhD in psychology from Fudan University; author of Why We Stopped Loving and The Psychology of Breakups; lecturer for the Vistopia programs Abnormal Relationships and When Love Ends
 

💬 Topics

01:26The story behind the publication of Xuemin’s The Psychology of Breakups
04:58Does a reconciliation obtained by pleading become a degraded relationship of unequal power?
06:43How did people’s pursuit of intimacy change over ten years?
08:58Can rushing to define a relationship obscure the whole picture?
13:55Why is entering a relationship increasingly difficult: are options scarcer, or are people more clear-eyed?
15:36How does the assumption of “true love” conceal real feelings and ugly truths?
21:16How much does family of origin influence an extreme relationship?
27:42How can you know whether you carry trauma, and how can you face it?
36:01Why can loneliness become a dead end? Our tolerance for “having no relationship”
38:56Is intimacy harder for more independent people?
43:16Can being alone feel sufficient? A calm brain and a positive cycle
50:40Does a lasting, stable relationship require a grateful partner?
56:38What is “power” in intimacy? Irreplaceable dependence
01:01:17Behind self-destructive courtship: power relations or personality disorder?
01:05:13What is wrong with using extreme emotional experience to prove self-worth?
01:08:19Distinguishing self-respect, inferiority, and narcissism: “I am here, and that is good enough”
01:15:15How can self-love and boundaries be made clear in intimacy?
01:19:39Why are women more likely to serve another’s satisfaction through a spirit of “devotion”?
01:25:39Is “I want to give” really my own thought?
01:27:46The role of sex in intimacy and power structures
01:34:52Must marriage equate fidelity in love with sexual fidelity?
01:42:38Passion versus long-term stability: which is love?
01:51:21How do public opinion and ideas shape structures of power?
01:54:06Does “whoever has more power” mean “whoever dares to leave”?
01:58:04Sometimes is it not love that moves us, but the freedom and satisfaction of breaking a power structure?
02:04:29How should we understand struggles for power in the “Chinese family”?
02:14:55Why are we afraid to leave, and how do we gain the freedom of being able to leave?
 
📪 Mailbox
HiShow also has a listener mailbox: hishowquestions@gmail.com
If you would like to share your story or discuss a question with Zhuzi, send it to this address. Zhuzi responds from time to time.
Episode editor: 予周、粒子
2026.08.07
Audio in Chinese

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5 comments
  • 捡破烂的猫
    2026-08-11 10:17:43

    说起两性间的嫉妒,我以前就非常嫉妒我的伴侣可以受到各种偏爱,甚至是我亲生父母的偏爱,他们都可以明目张胆的以性别为标尺来对我们进行区别对待,而每当我对此表达不满和抗议的时候,往往会遭遇更大的审判

  • 186****6199
    2026-08-09 08:36:24

    又跟着雪敏老师来到了这里。 一直在苦苦找寻到底什么是爱. 大概是因为本能地对自己的父母感到恐惧和排斥,一直想变成一个和他们不一样的女孩儿,但周围没有参照标准,然后就试图在老师、文学作品、影视作品中找寻。 然后不停地学习各种语言,莫名感觉新的语言会打开新的认知,最终会找到答案(到底什么是爱) 最终在雪敏老师的这起播客中反复听,周五到周末,到今天一直在听,一直想听,一直在听某个关键词、某个场景,中途有恶心、有难受、还是忍不住在听,似乎是在想着把大脑中的各种bug清除掉。重新养自己的认知! 感谢两位老师的对谈!感激🥹

  • 青山
    2026-09-12 12:58:19

    听着雪敏老师娓娓道来,有种广大并深邃的感觉,感到一种很深沉的疗愈。

  • 美美与共
    2026-10-05 00:48:14

    超级精彩,该睡觉了也顾不得,得先听完的那样。

  • 灵枫润玉
    2026-09-29 10:16:08

    笑死了哈哈哈哈哈